we went there. >> john: lovely to meet you, liam. >> yeah. john: what is it like hearing that sound from women and men and knowing that it's not sarcastic? >> it's very flattering. it's nice. and then i completely let everyone down by doing 360s on my chair. >> john: do the 360 dog bit. then we'll just have a conversation from there. we'll pin the conversation around the 60 dog joke. paranoia is the movie about corporate espionage. seems like there's loads more action movies and thrillers around white collar crime. do you think we've accepted that is where the real money is now? jewelry hives seem like a thing of the past. it's white collar crime. >> very sneaky these days. that's what was very interesting to me is the whole world of corporate espionage. i thought it was only in movies before i read this script. i didn't think it was actually real. then i realized that huge car companies are losing billions of dollars to corporate espionage. and a lot of other companies >> john: what else i liked about this movie is the good, old-fashioned br